Talk:List of mutations

Chop-chop

This page needs some serious splitting --Kenoxite (talk) 05:31, 18 December 2014 (PST)

I definitely see what you mean. I suggest getting rid of basic traits (they already have there own page) and then splitting the rest up by Mutation category. I think that table listing all the mutations should also be turned into a template. (I still don't know all that much about them, but I'm pretty sure this is a good idea.) Remember that we also have a Mutation page which is also high up on the long pages list. (It has the same manually added in table the this page has.)

KA101 should have a say in this though since he is the chief Mutations Dev.

JayJayForce (talk) 09:42, 18 December 2014 (PST)

Feel free to chop it as you see fit. Check my changes to the Vehicles page for reference, if you want. I'll keep working on some finishing touches to the Vehicles pages and then move on. And BTW, if the active contributors of the wiki would have had to expect a go signal from the developers to publish content here, there wouldn't have been any content in this wiki at all. If you see something that you think needs updating, fixing or improving just go ahead and do it. Nobody else will, trust me. Only contact other contributors for coordination purposes, but never for permissions or approval. Nobody will (or should) have a problem with that, unless your updates harm the wiki content in some manner, be it intentionally or unintentionally (like that guy who decided to remove the links to all the guides but his) --Kenoxite (talk) 10:28, 18 December 2014 (PST)

Sorry, I didn't say that right. I'm not asking for his permission, just his advice on how to go about tearing this page apart as he knows mutations better than anyone. I've never asked for permission to do anything on the wiki, only for advice and to double check things I'm unsure about. I was honestly surprised he devoted so much time and effort to helping me with the wiki. I'll change anything I think needs to be done.JayJayForce (talk) 22:27, 18 December 2014 (PST)

Mutation table being automated is a good idea, I think.

The only difference between a trait and a mutation is that a trait can be taken in chargen, and (barring weird scenarios like Lab Experiment) is within human norms. Codewise, there's one flag separating 'em, and they're all in the same JSON.

Splitting by category is gonna lead to a lot of repetition as most categories share a few mutations. I'm not sure whether effect-type (metabolism, combat, etc) would be any better though. Pre/post-threshold seems to be workable, but doesn't help the problem here. Marloss/Mycus mutations (two stages in the same category) can be safely split off as they're a separate line. (Perhaps split by subtypes: Beast/Feline/Lupine/Ursine/Cattle as one page, etc?)

Be advised that there's gonna be an Equine line in the near future, possibly a Turtle as well.

Good to see you decided to make a comeback after all, Kenoxite. KA101 (talk) 18:09, 18 December 2014 (PST)

Several of the Basic traits are about your history and personality prior to the Cataclysm (like stylish or the Martial Arts traits), they shouldn't be listed among the mutations. Keep the section, but only explain what they are and provide a link to the right page.

I thought about the fact that some traits are in multiple categories, but that is something I think we will just have to live with. Most people will be in interested in the Categories and they are the primary dividing line with mutations. Pre/post-threshold may be useful, but yes, it's just too big and clunky to be useful.

The table is maybe a bit beyond my abilities, but there are examples I can work from and mediawiki. As a template I can also experiment without breaking anything useful. I'll see what happens.

JayJayForce (talk) 22:27, 18 December 2014 (PST)

As JayJay has mentioned, any duplicate content can be dealt with with the power of transclusion. Placing each relevant mutation "category" in its own page (so, chopping all this) enables two important things: easier updating (you just have to update one thing, not multiple ones), and total flexibility on where that snippet of info is shown (as you can transclude it into any page you feel is relevant). I've made extensive use of this technique for most of my contributions, particularly noticeable in the ammunition section. --Kenoxite (talk) 00:05, 19 December 2014 (PST)

Sounds promising. As for taking time, well, you're putting in a lot too, I might add. I don't begrudge an hour or three helping someone who's doing a bang-up job getting our wiki up to date. KA101 (talk) 00:43, 19 December 2014 (PST)

Mutation Id's

It seems like the silly 'PF_' prefix has been removed from most (if not all) mutations. But they are still on the wiki. So anybody bored, they will need to be removed from the mutation pages. (including the <!-- --> comments). --Soyweiser (talk) 20:53, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Should be done. --Soyweiser (talk) 16:18, 12 November 2017 (MST)

Convert mutation jsons to mediawiki data. script.

Use this script trait.py if you want to quickly convert json files to the individual mutation pages. --Soyweiser (talk) 03:31, 19 August 2016 (UTC)