Talk:Main Page

Page from the old wiki has been moved across with a few changes where appropriate. -CC

"You shoulder your backpack and start walking." ... would be nice if it was true! is this sacred lore or can we get rid of it and make a few other language and line-break tweaks here without getting shot? -sep

Item Reorganization

Hi all, I just got into this game recently. Wikis are a very useful resource after the first few weeks of exploring the game, but this one isn't organized in a way that's very friendly to people looking for information. I wanted to see if there was any feedback on reorganizing the wiki (particularly the sections on game items).

The wiki for Nethack is a great example of a very friendly wiki for this type of game. They have an index page for item types, like this: http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Weapon

But each item also has its own page: http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Scalpel

Which is really great for noting strategy tips and other little bits of information about particular items, and can let us reduce the amount of clutter in the tables (they're pretty hard to read right now, lots of information packed in that small space).

I can operate a bot that would probably be able to generate the basic information on these types of pages without much hassle. BMacZero (talk) 14:04, 3 May 2013 (PDT)

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Sounds worth a try.

I finally implemented a hint template a few weeks back, so that extra info can be added to the description/notes column without the extra clutter (which was a real problem, particularly in the clothing page). IMO that's good enough, but that might be because I'm already used to the wiki after all this time.

I say, do a test run in one of the pages so we can see how it'll work out. If for some reason it's decided that it's not desirable or not particularly advantageous it can always be rolled back.

--Kenoxite (talk) 02:01, 4 May 2013 (PDT)

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Did the edits for the melee weapons page to demonstrate. Rock and wood axe show how these pages might look when including more specific information. The actual table pages can remain almost untouched, with the individual pages just having more information (though I did remove the Flags and Desc columns from the Melee weapons table to see if that was neater). BMacZero (talk) 12:40, 4 May 2013 (PDT)

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OK, this will come handy.

I think it's time to post about this in the wiki thread in the forums before going further, mainly so all the most common contributors and particularly GlyphGryph (the top admin) are aware of our machinations. Actually, consider PMing him also, if you haven't already. Just to make all this more visible, as not everybody reads the talk pages or follows the changelog.

About the changes done already, consider using the TECtoname template for the Flags row in the individual items table. Just note that it isn't able to translate more than one flag at a time. For that the flags should be divided into their own row or column. I didn't bother before, as it would have meant to create 5 or more flag columns, when maybe only a couple items would actually fill them all. But now, seeing that they have their own table and flags are placed as rows it might be worth separating them. By default they're just separated by blank spaces.

In fact, the Flags sections of all tables should be ideally not necessary at all if the information about each flag would be included in the flag entries themselves, by using <abbr/> tags, linking them to a page describing that particular flag, etc.

And some questions:

• Can the bot be used to update the pages with info directly from the game source files?
• Does further manual editing of pages created by bots conflict with future bot updates of that page?

--Kenoxite (talk) 00:29, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

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Gotcha, I'll post over there.

I'm still not sure how to get multiple flags into the template separately without multiple fields. I guess the bot could split them and TECtoname them before passing them to the template, i.e. |flags={{TECtoname|TEC_WHATEVER}} {{TECtoname|TEC_OTHERTHING}}.

Could you elaborate on what you said about the flags? I'm not following you there.

Answers:

• Yeah, looks like the items are all defined in a nice JSON file. I should be able to read those and cross reference them when the pages are being created.
• Nope, the bot should be able to work around manual edits no problem, if we need to use it to update anything on pages that already exist.

Are you thinking a bot might be used for updating the item pages when the game is updated? BMacZero (talk) 13:07, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

Attribution?

No idea who this coffeespoons person is, nor why his name should be stuck front-and-center on our mainpage. KA101 (talk) 19:10, 9 January 2015 (PST)

You would have to ask GlyphGryph. It was the name he was trying to put on the wiki. I just saw it and managed to get it working. Again, sorry about that. JayJayForce (talk) 00:22, 10 January 2015 (PST)

Add page to Technical

Hello, can someone link the page 'Savegame Editing' to the technical category, thank you.

Game Version?

Sorry if I missed it, but did a quick search and couldn't find whether this wiki should reflect the latest stable or experimental releases? In theory stable should be obvious, but they seemed pretty dis-used by the community (including me). --Kajman (talk) 08:21, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

The wiki should reflect the most recent experimental release. There simply isn't enough time people put into the wiki to keep different versions up to date. And esp at the moment the latest stable release is several years ago. It was 0.C (Cooper). The best way to go about this is to tag stuff you write with the version you wrote it for. For this I created the templates template:Ver, which you can use to tag an entire page as being of a certain version. And the template: template:inlineVer, which you can use during text to properly refer to a version. I even created methods to refer to the latest 0.D (Danny) (*).

(*):This refered to, at the time of writing, to "The experimental version". While the code already said 0.D which is (was) not out yet. The inlineVer template (and the ver template) makes updating to a new version easy. As I made it so that referring to the version that isn't out yet, automatically gets translated to 'The experimental version' so that when there is a release, not all the references to 'the experimental' need to be updated to (for example) 0.D, and only the two templates need to be updated. So use those templates. --Soyweiser (talk) 14:43, 7 November 2017 (MST)

To update this information in 2020. It seems the experimentals now are pretty experimental. So we probably should work on keeping the wiki mostly up to date with the stables and note where an update is specifically for the experimentals. Esp as the containers are now changing atm. Ideally we would have a dwarf fortress like versioning system, but we don't have the wikiediting manpower to keep this up to date. --Soyweiser (talk) 05:11, 12 May 2020 (MDT)

Naming standard

Here is the naming standard for page names I have been following. Item pages have the same name as the 'name' field in the json files. With usually only the first character capitalized (unless it made sense not to do so as it was in the name of the object, like the various rivtech weapons such as "RM20 autoshotgun". And try to follow this 'name' field even when the plural might make more sense as you never find the object singular. In the case of nails for example, still make the item page name 'nail'. If we follow this standard automatically updating things will be a lot easier. --Soyweiser (talk) 05:25, 24 February 2018 (MST)

If you edit the main page main menu, also edit the main navbar.

The template is here : template:Navbox/main --Soyweiser (talk) 16:42, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Syncing the Wiki with the Item Browser

Hi folks,

I'm new to contributing, but I mainly use the item-browser instead of the wiki. I'm wondering if there is some way in MediaWiki to pull directly from the strings on the Item Browser so that tables on item pages are immediately updated. Sort of like using the item browser as a backend to the Wiki. QuickMolasses 13:48 July 17 2019

Suggestion: Link "Please consider contributing"

I suggest linking "contributing" to Contributing. -Actual-nh (talk) 07:37, 9 December 2020 (MST)

Link to compiling information needs to be updated

Just noticed link to COMPILING.md at the top of the sidebar on the Main Page is out of date. Needs to be changed to the current URL: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/blob/master/doc/COMPILING/COMPILING.md

Need someone with edit permissions to change it.

Synch (talk) 11:44, 12 March 2021 (MST)

Thank you; while I can't do that, I did put it at the top of the (otherwise outdated) How to compile page, which some navigation templates link to. -Actual-nh (talk) 17:29, 12 March 2021 (MST)

BTW, I agree that someone who can should modify the main page link. -Actual-nh (talk) 22:27, 13 March 2021 (MST)

I've updated the main page link. DanmakuDan (talk) 10:07, 14 March 2021 (MDT)

Thanks! -Actual-nh (talk) 20:56, 14 March 2021 (MDT)

Link on main page to squatted domain hosting malware

In the hopes that anyone with enough privileges to edit the wiki main page page sees this, it was mentioned on the CDDA dev discord that there is a link to whalesdev.com ("Whale's original Cataclysm") on the frontpage that has been domain squatted and seems to now be spreading malware. That should probably be replaced with a link to the original [Cataclysm's Github repo](https://github.com/Whales/Cataclysm) or something similar. Harakka (talk) 14:31, 8 May 2022 (MDT)

Updated, thanks. DanmakuDan (talk) 21:19, 9 May 2022 (MDT)